america needs is the government telling us what news we can and can't feed. i'll see you on the fives. have a great weekend, everybody. protesters now firmly in control in ukraine's capital city of kiev as dramatic developments unfold in that country. just a short time ago the country's parliament voting to oust president victor yanukovych and hold early elections, however, there are no plans that he plans to step aside. we'll talk to the former u.s. ambassador to the ukraine to get his insineghts. and could hackers try to take a bite out of apple? the tech giant warning a flaw in its software could pave the way for hijackers to e-mail disrupting accounts across the globe. and many say everything is bigger in the lone star state and that's certainly apparent

with texas' success story ask why more jobs have been created there. texas governor rick perry in d.c. for the national government association gathering stops by our studios to talk about this and more. plus, nascar fans everywhere are gearing up for the daytona 500 and we'll give you a preview, live. hello, everybody, live from the nation's capital, starts right now. we begin our show with the continuing crisis in ukraine where protesters remain informally in control of that nation's capital city. that nation's president has fled the city, but vowing not to step aside as protesters continue to demand his ouster. all this as the country's parliament moves ahead and calling for new elections as early as may. let's turn now to amy kellogg who has the latest. >> reporter: we're just reading reports that the speaker of the parliament has said that president victor yanukovych or former president, it's not even

clear what we call him at this point, has actually tried to flee the country, tried to go to russia, for some reason didn't make it and is in the eastern part of the country. this from the speaker of the par limb. we don't have any further information on that. as you mentioned parliament voted today to oust president yanukovych and by law supposedly at this point the speaker of the parliament will remain the acting president until those early elections which are calling for on the 25th of may, but yanukovych said earlier today and probably still sticks by this, i would imagine, that he is not resigning and as far as we know he still considers himself the president of the country. however, the interior ministry and the security services are both now run by opposition people, so those two very key power centers are with the opposition. yanukovych fled the capital kiev this morning and rumors started to fly around first thing that he might have fled the country. the large security detail around

his very lavish suburban residence relaxed, barely there, there were even reports that people at some point were able to wander inside the compound today. yanukovych turned up later today on video, only on video in eastern ukraine calling it a coup and comparing the situation to the rise of the nazis in germany. every time you start to think that the conflict is so complicated and mine not entirely about part of ukraine wanting to break away from russia and join europe, you see pictures like this, the toppling of statues of lenin across the country and whoil lenin is long gone, he remains the symbol of russian domination here. and finally, very importantly, tonight, uma, the opposition, well -- the archrival i should say of yanukovych and the ya jaileded opposition leader has been freed from jail and is pea parentally on her way to keyve,

a very long drive from where she was, she was in a hospital basically but basically serving a prison term. there's been a quote from her that she is planning to run in the upcoming elections but we assume that at some point later today we will probably hear from her. we will hear from her ourselves. she is not in very good health. as i mentioned she's been hospitalized, so it's not clear whether or not she'll bring something to the ring. two other things yanukovych still has a fairly strong support base based in eastern ukraine and if he's there now and rallying people around him, there are some fears being raised that the country could somehow split. but, again, events are developing so quickly today that we will see what happens in the next few hours and days, uma? >> amy kellogg, thank you so much for that update. joining us now to discuss the very turbulent situation there former u.s. ambassador to

ukraine, john hurst. you know despite this deal has failed to end those protests and even though yanukovych has fled, the opposition wants the new elections to happen in may. is that realistic given the fact that the country remains so unstable at this time? >> elections in may are not ideal. but the situation is so fluid it's impossible to say that they will or will not happen. >> what do you make of the developments that have happened so quickly in the last several hours? >> i don't think it's surprising. i mean, yanukovych was clear he was not able by repression to restore order in kiev. and because he had overseen a government which used snipers against its own citizens, he knew his situation in kiev was intenable, so he left to a place where he thought it would be secure in the east. the demonstrators who had been in the streets three months, who braved the cold and braved sniper fire, live fire from the police, 16 months ago.

so, the deal was reached just the other day, brokered by the eu, which would reduce yanukovych's power but keep him president. it's not clear if this deal can be sustained. >> the deal called for more of a caretaker type of role for him, correct? >> well, not quite. even with reduced powers he would have significant authority. but -- and the important but is -- that the prime minister under that arrangement would be his co-equal and not reliant on the president which as a compromise is not a bad thing. but the protesters in the streets have been radicalized by the police and yanukovych has blood on his hands and can't stay. >> he said he's not resigning and stepping aside and calling what's happening right now a coup resembling what we saw with hitler back in the 1930s. >> well, the only true thug tactics we've seen over the past three mons have been at the hands of him and his supporters, so that analogy is silly.

but he's using that to try to build up support in the east where, of course, they remember the nazis and don't like them, understandably. >> and also in the east we're hearing that leaders of the mainly russian-speaking areas are saying that they are taking control of their territories until constitutional order is restored in kiev. >> well, that's a way of saying they may not listen to any government that emerges in kiev. >> what are the implications for that? >> they are potentially dangerous because this is a single country and this suggests the country can split. i'm skeptical that, in fact, there could be a split in the country. it's possible mr. yanukovych may try, but many influential members of his own party don't want a split. a major oligarch who is a power baron also in the east not too far from where yanukovych is, of course, ukraine will remain a single country and many people in yanukovych's own party do not want to be part of a tiny little constituency in eastern ukraine.

>> you know, to the larger point, the deal doesn't addressed what sparked these protests, the fact that the president abandoned the closer ties with the eu, instead went along with the bailout that russia had proposed to help the country out of its debt. how do you see that contentious issue playing out, and what are the stakes right now for vladimir putin? >> on your first question, the issue of an agreement with the eu sparked this crisis, but it is a secondary or even a tertiary issue. the reason why people stayed in the streets they were protesting against four years of authoritarian re authoritarian reign by mr. yanukovych. and he wants to make sure that they don't have closer ties with the eu and he doesn't want tose ukraine, he would like to pull it into an economic union with kazakhstan and armenia which is an economic agreement to nowhere and i think mr. putin has been

surprised by the events of the past week or two. >> does the u.s. have any leverage in this at all? >> we have some. this is overwhelmingly an internal ukrainian dispute. the most influential outside partner is russia. the second most influential partner is the eu and the united states is third. our role as you might say as a champion of freedom, so we were the first outside power to sanction ukrainian officials for brutally treating their citizens. and we have said positive things to the demonstrators and we've tried to encourage the eu to also issue sanctions and, of course, the eu did make that decision two days ago. and note, when the eu did it, things in ukraine changed. because this is a very important because, the oligarchs in ukraine want to have access to europe because that's where they see their economic future. even the people in yanukovych's own party see it. they understand that russia is a dead end. russia under its present leadership. a russia engineered reform could be a great global and economic

power. but with the backward-looking leadership it has today, it does not have a great future. >> mr. ambassador, thank you very much for joining us with your insights. i know you'll be watching these events very closely because the stakes remain quite high. >> thank you. >> thank you, sir. as we keep close tabs on developments in ukraine, we're also reminded that there are other major hot spots around the globe where violent unrest continues and threaten the stability. and in venezuela dueling rallies are set for government allies and protesters and they are hoping for peaceful demonstrations to express their anger with the status quo which includes high crime and food shortages. at least eight people have died in just over a week of clashes there. in egypt, islamic militants threatening vie ledges against tourists. a deadline for western tourists to leave that nation has just expired and this threat coming from the same militant group claiming credit for last week's tour bus bombing. three people dying in that

blast. and syria's three-year-old war rains on displacing millions of people turning them into refugees. just moments ago the united nations security council unanimously voting to demand that syria allow humanitarian aid be delivered to millions of dense pratt people throughout that nation. conner powell is joining us live from jerusalem with the very latest. >> reporter: uma, a lot of backroom associations taking place the past few days as u.s. and european diplomats try to reach an agreement that all five permanent members of the u.n. security council can agree to. russia and china for the past few years really have prevented the security council from passing any resolutions that have anything to do with syria. they had previously vetoed three other resolutions condemning the assad regime and also threatening it with sanctions. but as the three-year-long bloody civil war rages on, the

u.n. security council passed unanimously a resolution to boost aid to syria, in a surprising move both russia and china voted in favor of the motion. today's resolution demands that all groups in syria allow humanitarian aid everywhere in the war-torn country, but it does nothing really to stop the violence. the u.n. says 9 million people there are in desperate need of humanitarian assistance. and more than 140,000 have actually been killed in the past three years. now, international efforts so far to forge a cease-fire have repeatedly failed. the latest peace talks just collapsed just about a week or so ago. and both rebels and the assad regime blame the other side for the violence and have really shown no willingness to negotiate, uma. and right now neither side appears strong enough to win the war in syria. so, the fighting there, uma, just continues and continues. >> a very unfortunate situation indeed, connor, thank you very

much for the update. turning now to the situation that's happening in benghazi, it's been more than a year since the terrorist attack on the u.s. consulate in libya killed four americans and now a new fox news poll is showing that a majority of you still want answers. in a recent poll of registered vote errs 66% are saying they w congress to keep investigating the white house's handling of the benghazi attack and that includes 50% of democrats, 68% of independents and 83% of republicans. >> going to work with congress wherever i can, but whenever i can act on my own to expand opportunity for more americans and help build our middle-class, i'm going to do that. >> turning no you to events back here at home, the president threatening to use executive orders once again this time to raise the minimum wage. this week he asked federal contractors to pay employees at least $10.10 but this latest move has a growing number of lawmakers asking if the president is going overboard by

doing an end runaround congress. and joining us is ann coulter, and ann, great to have you here. thank you very much for joining us. >> good to be here, uma. >> you know, the president's own advisers are saying if you raise the minimum wage it allows folks to work less and that the workforce is going to shrink. is this a wedge issue for democrats against the gop at a time that the democrats desperately want to turn the spotlight away from obamacare? >> yes, i think so. but i do have a good counter attack for the republicans. i mean, i feel sorry for them because any serious economist will tell you, you artificially raise the minimum wage, that will reduce the number of jobs. but the average person think there's just a set number of jobs, that will never change and this will just mean higher wages for them. the reason the natural minimum wage what people are being paid at the low end of the scale is so low is because our immigration policies are dumping millions of low-wage workers on

america. so, i think republicans should introduce a bill saying no more immigration until the minimum wage that employers need to pay through the laws of supply and demand just rises. a country like australia which has very restrictive immigration policies as an extremely low unemployment rate and a minimum wage that just naturally is about twice what our minimum wage is. we, republicans, believe in supply and demand. and democrats believe in everything being a hand-out from the government, whether it's because you lost your job because of the minimum wage, we'll give you food stamps and unemployment insurance. or we, the beneficient government will give you this minimum wage. that isn't the way a natural market works. we need to cut off immigration until the minimum wage naturally rises. >> you know, interestingly enough, though, studies have shown that as the minimum wage rises, those with the least education and fewest skills are the ones who are going to suffer the worst increases in

unemployment and this actually also increases income inequality and that's something the democrats continue to side against. >> no, that's absolutely right. and it is the people that can't see that aren't just a static number of jobs. there would be more jobs that you don't even think of and you are especially as you say it is the people at the very bottom of the economic scale, often young people who have never held a job before and it's very important, you know, just to get in the habit of waking up to an alarm clock and showing up for a job. mostly it's young people. but wages are very low now. they are low now because there are so many low-wage workers. cut off the stream of low-wage workers coming in through our immigration policies, how about we get high-wage workers competing with, you know, the democrats coming up with these terrible ideas. >> but this whole issue of income inequality is something that the democrats are running with, and yet we've not heard a huge outcry from the gop at a

time when certain arguments can be made to counter that. >> yes. and i think the main one is immigration. that is part of what is leading to income inequality and as a result of income inequality it is the people at the top end of the income scale who want lots and lots of low-wage workers. they want enough to start building the pyramid. they want to have gardeners and nannies and maids and pay them less and less and less. so, low-wage workers coming in via our immigration policies are fantastic for the ultrarich. it is very bad for the people competing for those jobs. >> what do you make of the concerns that are being raised over the last few weeks the president stepped up use of executive orders? concerns have been raised by both democrats and republicans right now. where is this going to lead as you see it? >> i -- i mean, i think the only constitutional response for congress is impeachment. it's not going to happen.

but i do think it's a serious matter arguably, theoretically, rising to the level of impeachment because what obama's doing, i mean, democrats and republicans arguing about this in terms of the number of executive orders. of course, the president is allowed to issue executive orders. he runs the executive branch. it's his constitutional responsibility to take care that the laws be faithfully executed. the way obama is using executive orders is to rewrite legislation. i'd say most egregiously in the case of obamacare. i mean, it is written that in the law that was passed on an exclusively party line vote, by the way, and signed by a democrat president, that all of these mandates on employers are supposed to be going into effect now, but the only people who are going to have to suffer under obamacare are -- are -- are -- are -- are the individuals who do the not have

employer-provided health care. you can't rewrite a law like that through executive order. it's the legislative branch's job, oddly enough, to write legislation and the president's only role is as he says is pen. he can veto it or not veto but he can't say i can't enforce this portion of it. >> well, he seems to be running with it and i know you are keeping close watch on it so we'll see where it all leads us. ann coulter, always great to see you. thank you for joining us today. >> thank you, uma. and still to come -- >> join us for our conversation with texas governor rick perry who will be joining us live in a few minutes. he's returning to the all-important presidential primary state of iowa next week. does it mean that he plans to be a contender for president in 2016? we'll also talk about the contin, governor's race that's happening in his state. plus, a major security flaw puts apple users at risk. how hackers could access your e-mail and worse. and what apple is now doing to

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welcome back, everybody. well, we have lots of nascar fans watching right now, gearing up for the opening of the nascar season, but the weather has been a bit of a problem, rain washing out one of the practices yesterday at the daytona 500, and it's also threatening to dampen some of today's events as well, and we've got the first hand forecast live from daytona and a special guest, rick? >> reporter: exactly, uma, we are watching some scattered showers i think today and tomorrow. seems like daytona's getting a little bit used to having showers in the area and causing problems. i've got somebody who can speak to that and what it does to these guys, kurt busch, the awesome racer, driver, it's an honor to have you here. we're very happy you're here with us. rain a factor for us. how do you guys handle it when conditions are like this?

>> you have to juggle when you're going to get your practice sessions in versus the prescriptio precipitation. we've had a full week of practice that has led us up to the daytona 500 and we're roadie to go, now it's a matter of keeping your emotions in check if there are more delays. >> reporter: as we say this, i feel a couple more sprinkles coming on. you had your final practice and you finished fastest today. how does that make you feel going into the race? >> it's a big boost of confidence to be the fastest in the final practice. it's been a solid speed week for us. we've done all our home work and we've got the checklist done and our car is in one piece and we're as best prepared for the daytona 500 as we can be. >> reporter: you are part of a new team, a team hat has tony stewart, kevin harvick and danica patrick and you now. you are part of an incredible team. do you think this can take you to the next level? can you get past tenth? >> it's an interesting dynamic with that many personalities in

one race shop, but what that means this team is poised for success. we have to produce. we have to communicate well and we have to push some of those emotional distractions aside and work together as a team and at the end of the day, though, it's about each individual car number, otony stewart is our team owner. he's number 14. i'm number 41. we've got danica in the 10 car and kevin harvick the new guy in number 4. as we go through the summer and racing through the positioning for the chase, each team will develop its own identity. >> reporter: certainly. one of the things you do very well is honor our troops and you've been racing this will be your third year putting a name on your car of a wounded warrior or someone who has passed and you do a lot of work with the armed forces foundation. tell me about your work and what it means for you. >> thank you. it's been an honor and privilege to give back to our military community and we have a race dedication program where we've had an individual on our car every rales the last three years and it's through the armed forces foundation and we have brandon morocco w

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all right. welcome back, everybody, let's take a quick look right now at some of the stories making news today. the fox news flash. turmoil in ukraine. protesters taking control of the capital city and the ouster of the president. early elections have just been set for may 25th, but the president isn't standing by for any of that. he's fleeing the city is and refusing to vezine there are mounting fears that the country

could be split in two. a controversial fcc study about america's newsrooms on hold. the commission listening to media groups and republican lawmakers who have been complaining at the project attempts at having newsroom monitors set at major broadcast companies. the fcc said it will no longer do this as it revises the setting. the federal appeals court ruling against the university of notre dame over the obama birth control mandate. the decision denied the university's request for a preliminary injunction while the lawsuit continues. and the schoolle is challenging the health care requirement that they cover contraception for students and employees. and a surprise visit in vatican city brings together the papacy past, present, and future for the first time since his resignation a year ago pope benedict appeared with pope franc francis. the two greeting each other at a

ceremony that created 19 new cardinals. and that's a quick look at stories making news on today's fox news flash. turning to this developing story, a major catch for u.s. and mexican authorities in the drug war. a drug kingpin reportedly captured in an overnight raid. the u.s. government's saying that joaquin guzman was arrested in a mexican hotel. he was on the dea's most wanted list and faces multiple drug trafficking charges. his drug empire stretching through north america all the way to europe and even australia. here's a warning you should pay close attention to, particularly if you are an apple lover, so, listen up, all you iphone, ipad and mac users. a major flaw in apple software is leaving your e-mail and other communications open to hackers. we've got the very latest on the story from new york. brian? >> hi, uma, at least one expert said the apple security flaw is

as bad as you can imagine affecting nearly everyone who has an iphone and ipad an ipad touch or a mac laptop or desktop computer. on friday apple revealing a major vulnerability on its ios software, the flaw allowing hackers to easily get secure information our apple mobile device which should have been encrypted. through open unsecured wireless networks hackers are able to create fake versions of secure websites and watch in real time as you type in secure information. >> they can look at your contacts, past e-mails you've sent, if you've sent information to your bank or received personal information. facebook contacts. photos. all sorts of private communications could be exploited if a hacker has access to your information. they're sitting there watching everything you type. >> now, apple releasing a security fix on friday urging users to download the update if you have an iphone 4 and later

generations, a fifth generation ipod touch and ipad 2 and later models, but there still is no security fix available for mac computers. there's some speculation that this flaw is one of the ways the nsa could access any ios device as claimed in recently leaked edward snowden nsa documents. listen -- >> it just goes to show you the lack of level of sophistication that the nsa was using to get access to these exploits. simple ways of actually getting into our networks and retrieving personal information. they don't need some guy in a black hooded sweatshirt with goggles to dive into your house to get this information. they can simply wait until you make a mistake. >> bottom line, download the update immediately. a security fix is expected for mac computers, but until then, be extra careful not to use or access personal information when using unsecure open wireless networks like in restaurants or coffee shops. uma? >> wow, it's a warning that lots of folks need to pay close

attention to. brian, thank you very much. well, ten years after the passion of the christ film showcased the power of religious-themed movies at the box office, another movie on christ is hitting theaters. "son of god" opens nationally next week. sean hannity sitting down with the filmmakers talked more about their new film which explores the popularity of religion in america. downey says the movie is important in explaining jesus to a new generation. >> and we certainly have felt that all through the project, all through the film, that there has been a kind of spiritual clearing because i think that this film is very important particularly for our new generation, that they would know and understand jesus, that they would have an opportunity to see what an amazing man he was and how much god loves us that he sent us jesus. >> now, the film is a follow-up to the tv miniseries "the bible" which generated huge ratings.

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welcome back, everybody. well, california farmers dealing with a devastating drought being hit hard by the feds and that could mean higher grocery prices for you. farmers in the central valley just learning that u.s. officials are cutting off one of their main water supplies. the regional federal irrigation system. we are joined live from l.a. with more on this story, dominick? >> hey, there, uma, yes, this is a devastating blow to farmers in region. you got to remember that california is the world's most productive agricultural region and actually here in the states we get half of our fruit and g vegetables from california. the problem is the agricultural industry takes up 80 p% of california's water, the problem lies in the san joaquin river delta where the water collects in the state and now the new federal allocation that have come out if you take a look at the map we can show you what the delta looks like.

hopefully we can bring that up for you. basically under the new allocations every farmer to the north of the delta, the light blue area, the san francisco bay there, they are going to get absolutely none of the allocation that they should expect. similarly, all the farms to the south they're not going to get a single drop either. farmers are extremely alarmed. this is what one of the lobby groups said in their defense, hoping that the government would sort it out, they're blaming the government at the moment. hopefully we can bring that statement up for you. >> some for -- >> nope. we can't. but we'll bring that to you. here we go. this crisis is a direct result of the 20-plus years of inaction by politicians and policy-makers who have failed to take the steps required to shield california from drought. well, water experts say it's really going to become a widespread problem. take a listen -- >> some water users with very senior water rights are going to

get cut back to 40% of their allocations which is unheard of, going to see a big drop in what we grow, where we grow it and what's available in our supermarkets. >> california is some serious trouble when it comes to water here and we're hearing that individual citizens, well, they will see their water allowance cut as much as 50%, uma, back to you. >> dominick, thank you very much, appreciate it. texas governor rick perry is joining us now live right here in our studios in washington. we've got a lot to say and we're glad that you are here. you're here in town because of the governors association meeting and i know that's something you are really involved with and very active and great to have you here for a few minutes. i know you were speaking at the luncheon today. let's get right to it for a couple things right off the top. chris christie is heading up the governors association, there's a rumors of reported feud between you two. true or not? >> that is not true. chris is a leader of the rga here as i have been a couple times. he's doing a great job. raising a lot of money. keeping the focus on 2014 as we

should. and, you know, we compete against each other. don't get that confused with being a supporter and being on the team, but i compete with rick scott. i compete with bobby jindal, i compete with nicki haley, governor bentley down in alabama, just got a big plant, remington moved to huntsville, alabama, called him up on the phone and congratulated him, i hoped it was him calling me or us getting that opportunity. we'll get our fair share, though, but it's the red state policies versus blue state policies, for instance, i was on another program with governor pat quinn of illinois. and we were -- we were juxtapositioning those liberal blue state policies versus texas or louisiana or florida's red state policies. and we're crushing them so to speak from an economic standpoint. texans are seeing our population grow, people moving out of california because of overtaxation, overregulation, overlitigation and i think it's wise for us as a country to have this conversation, to

decentralize the power out of washington, d.c. they seem to can't even have cordial conversations much less get anything done. back to the states and let the governors make the decisions. >> people keep saying the nation's governors are really today's success stories in terms of what they are doing in their states. >> well, they are. >> and being really able to manage in ways that washington doesn't seem to grasp. >> listen, people should have the right to decide where they want to live. if you want to live in a high-tax, high-regulatory state with a legal system that allows for substantial suing and, you know, maybe the public schools are headed downhill because of the restraints that get put on them by the unions, then you can go live in that state. but if you want to live free, if you want to live in a state where people get to keep more of their money, that the regulatory climate is fair but predictable. like we have in texas. and it's hard to argue with that model that's been put in place in texas over the last few years that we're not creating wealth, creating jobs.

30% of all the jobs created in the last decade were created in texas. now, if you want to live somewhere else, that ought to be your call. but governors, i will suggest to you, whether it's on health care, education, or transportation policies, the list goes on and on, jerry brown and his legislature know better how to take care of californians than some bureaucrat in washington, d.c., and that's the reason i think the whole affordable care act, you know, maybe you do put this thing in a moratorium for the next three years to really figure out what's going on, because it is not working. >> do you think it's the governors that need to decide that ultimately? >> well, i think it would be good for the governors to be listened to. >> yeah. yeah. >> i don't think the governors were asked about health care when this debate was going on. it was kind of, like, here's the bill, we got the people to pass it without one republican vote. and now we're seeing the -- the real problems with not having thoughtful conversations with the people who by in large will be implementing health care

decisions back in the states, and that is the governors and their legislature. >> can you stick around for just a few minutes? >> absolutely. >> we have to go to break. we'll have more with rick perry on the other side of this break. don't go away. [ male announcer ] if you suffer from a dry mouth

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. welcome back. we're back with governor rick perry. glad to have you. of course there is lots of buzz about the fact that you're heading off to iowa next week to meet with some folks there. and of course people are saying there he goes, making an early sprint for the nation's first presidential caucus for the 2016 race. are you? >> 2014 is where i've advised everybody to keep their focus. 36 governors races up you across the country. governors are where the rubber meets road. terry will win, but i've committed to help him because he is a very, very good example of these red state policies that get put in place in a state like iowa. and it's a competitive state. >> but are you going to kill two birds with one stone? are you not planting seeds for a possible second attempt at the white house? >> i have no idea what i'm going

to do post 2015 in january is when i quit being the governor of the state of texas. i hope to still be able to travel across the country and do this juxtaposition, if you will, between red state policies and blue state policies. because i believe in all my heart decentralizing power out of washington, d.c., back to governors, back to the states is the way our country is going to be strong again. and you have these 50 laboratories ever innovation. when bobby jindal comes up with an idea that is good, i'm going to go borrow it. and when somebody sees what we're doing in texas, say on our drug courts and the population of our prisons going down, jerry brown could look at that and take that and put it into place. even president obama and attorney general holder said that is good policy for us to be able to keep these prison populations down instead of sending kids to prison to learn how to be really hardened

criminals for small drug use. still illegal. but instead of sending them to prison, intervene with these drug corps. those are the types of ideas we can agree pop and as a country, i mhappen to think if you move substantial amounts of the decision making out of washington, d.c. from the rangerrous, very core rorosive climate back to the states, our citizens would be happier. >> if the gop were to retake the white house in 2016, what will have to happen in terms of the divisions that are there? >> i think the governors will be the leaders. 2014 is so important. if republican governors do well in toes states with senate races, there is a real chance that the senate could move over too. and at that plur poiarticular p time, you get the level of

representation here to start forcing people to work together. and i think that has to happen in washington in particular. and they have to recognize that the strength of america is not centralized in washington, d.c.. the power of this country is back in the states with these governors and lems lgislators competing against each other. >> it's great to have you here. >> come back home. >> i will. mom and dad are waiting for me. up next, serving our veterans, how one program is giving homeless vets a second chance. as you get older, protein is an important rt of staying active and strong. ensureigh protein... fifty percent of your daily value of protein. low fat and five grams of sugars. [ major nutrition ] ensure. nutrin charge!

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>> emotionally, spiritually, it's helped me out a lot. so i'm grateful to be here. it's an awesome opportunity and a great experience. >> good for him. he's lost some weight, has reconnected with his family and even saved some money. we wish him all the best. that will do it for me here will d.c.. make it a great day. hi, everyone. we welcome you to america's headquarters. >> topping the news this hour, dramatic developments in the political crisis in ukraine. anti-government protesters there taking control of the country's capital and seizing the president's office, a live report on the breaking news. >> plus one of the world's most dangerous drug lords is now behind bars. how american and mexican authorities took him down. and apple sounding the alarm. why your